Jan. 10, 2025
Veganism: Why It Should Always Be About The Animals

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What’s the best way to advocate for veganism? Nicole Arciello explores why ethical veganism—focusing on animals—is the most effective advocacy approach. Reflecting on her own journey, she highlights the pitfalls of health-focused messaging and offers practical tips for centering animals in activism. Start 2025 strong by being a voice for the animals in every conversation and action.
Transcript
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Foreign welcome
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to In Behalf of Animals. I'm Nicole Arcello.
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Happy New Year to all of my animal loving friends.
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We are a week into veganuary, so I
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want to talk to you all about health.
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No, not your personal health, but the health of your activism.
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As an almost 16 year vegan who started my vegan
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journey for health reasons, I am telling you explicitly
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to stop talking about vegan for health and
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only talk about vegan for animals.
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Look, your health is a personal choice. Maybe you fought off
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in reverse disease with your vegan diet, but ultimately I
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believe you are here listening to me because you want to
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start or strengthen your advocacy for animals.
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So how can we effectively advocate for them without talking
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about them, without making it only about
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the animals? As I mentioned,
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my personal journey toward veganism started out for health reasons.
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But within a couple of weeks of research, that shifted
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to animals. After learning that my participation in eating
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animals and their products was contributing to the most horrible
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and needless suffering, I decided there was no going back.
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I couldn't take part in the suffering and killing of innocent animals.
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We don't need to eat their bodies for our bodies to live and thrive.
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There's a lot to unpack here in this discussion.
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Now I can't talk about this, I suppose, without giving
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a little away about my personal health history.
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I struggled with weight my whole adult life. It didn't start
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for me as a child though the eating habits may have. I'm five foot
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tall, which could be one issue, and I freaking love food,
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which is probably the other issue or maybe the whole issue. I want
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to say that I have always believed that leading with animals and
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animals only not getting into discussions about health benefits is
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the way. I have always advocated for veganism,
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but it's not. I think us
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vegans sometimes get that defeatist feeling
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that people don't care about animals. So we should talk to
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them about how a vegan diet will make them skinnier,
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healthier, clear up their skin. And whatever else we may or may
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not have accomplished ourselves by being vegan,
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we sometimes feel that we need to tap into the selfishness
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of the human species. They only care about themselves,
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it seems right. So we have to face that head on. Show them that
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if they stop eating animals, it will benefit them in every way they ever dreamed.
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Well, my friends, I think this is bad for ourselves
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and really, really, really bad for the animals. First,
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we have to find ways to not have that defeatist feeling at all.
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And I believe this is the reason why this podcast exists,
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to learn how to effectively advocate for animals and
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to know you're not alone in fighting against animal
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suffering. And second, as I mentioned
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in the last episode, vegans get sick.
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The truth is we vegans can have high blood pressure,
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diabetes, cancer. And the
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truth is also that people can reverse disease and
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lose weight and be healthy while still eating small amounts
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of meat and animal products. We need
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to face both of those truths.
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Now I'll reveal I'm currently eating a 95, I would
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say percent whole foods, plant based, obviously diet.
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So I am 50 years old and feeling, feeling more energized than ever.
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I have recently decided to stop my use of alcohol entirely.
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Some of my friends, I'm realizing, are probably just hearing that for the first time.
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Um, but I'm taking control of my health and fitness and prioritizing
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it. That's where I'm currently at. And I feel like this is a
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very personal thing, but I've been vegan over 15
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years. My weight has gone up and down. I have been
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whole food plant based before even for
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a number of years and then stopped. Okay, I'm telling you
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all of this because I'm stressing that I'm not talking to people about it.
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That's not what this episode is about. I'm not on my social media
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saying to, you know, eat the way I'm eating. I'm saying
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don't eat animals. But recently I've been watching
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some videos, interviews with whole food plant based doctors and
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proponents. And what I suspected to be true was revealed in
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a recent video. A doctor was talking about the holidays
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and how to talk to your family about your new eating
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your whole food plant based, um, which is probably also no salt,
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no oil, no sugar too. And how to navigate the holidays,
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dealing with unsupportive family and friends.
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So this was all about health,
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but it was also about going off the quote diet.
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So the thing I always say, if you go vegan for health, what's stopping you
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from eating a piece of meat here and there? What's stopping you from
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having a few bites of non vegan cake or dairy ice cream
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at the ice cream stand on the hottest day of the summer? The answer
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is nothing, nothing stopping you from doing that.
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The doctor I was listening to was saying that people on this diet
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remember it's whole food plant based sos. No sugar,
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salt or oil or no sugar, oil, salt, I had to look that one
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up. They may choose to recreational
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eat. So think recreational drugs, social drinking,
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you know, going off plan, eating something you know isn't good for you, but you
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do it anyway. So they have
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that choice to just eat non vegan food.
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Well, that sums it up, right? You can cheat on a diet,
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you can have a little slip up and go right back on it,
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right? Even environmental vegan,
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you know, which is probably another discussion. But what's going to stop
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you from having that occasional non vegan meal or treat
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or whatever? And it definitely
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won't keep you on the plan, which is being vegan.
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But being vegan for the animals, you cannot cheat on them.
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You can't put aside those images in your head of their eyes pleading
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for help, asking why this is happening to them when they did
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nothing wrong.
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Look, vegan infection isn't about food.
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But it's not not about food, right? I had a
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vegan bakery for years. I served up the most indulgent fat,
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sugar laden desserts and made so many
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vegans and non vegans for that matter, very happy.
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I will still eat those treats though,
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occasionally, even though my current journey anyway
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is healthy eating. But I know that I will never,
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and I know without a shadow of a doubt that my vegan for the
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animals friends will never go
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back on their vegan ethics.
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We're vegan for the animals. And if you need another
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example, what about that revolving door of celebrities that
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went vegan for health and went back to being non vegan?
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Their bodies were craving meat or whatever the excuse was.
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What was keeping them there anyway?
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The animals obviously weren't a part of that equation.
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So wherever your personal vegan health is at,
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whether it be whole food, plant based, or eating every processed vegan item
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in the supermarket, and there are so many, thank goodness,
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do it. I support you.
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It's all good for me. As long as you
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aren't eating animals. The rest is your personal choice on
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how you want to live your life, as long as no animals are hurt in
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the process. So think about your activism
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as we embark on this new year. If you want to start out
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strong for your health, do it. I support you. But start out
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strong for the animals too. Talk about them, their suffering,
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their horrible lives, and teach people
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to be vegan for them.
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As an ethical animal rights, vegan and foodie,
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I strongly believe in food activism. Share those vegan recipes,
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bring vegan cookies to work, store bought and homemade.
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Take photos of your vegan meals and post them on social media.
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But talk about the animals while you do it.
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And for those health questions we receive from family and friends, you know,
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the sudden interest in our protein levels, a simple answer can
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be, you know, I get my blood work done and checkups and I'm
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doing great. There's protein in all plants.
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I'm not deprived at all. You should try it then you won't be
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hurting animals or I love the way I eat and that
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I don't take part in the needless suffering and killing of animals.
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You can start out by talking to friends and family about their pets
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and their love for animals. Send them petitions that you sign and information
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from your favorite organizations. Tell them this is very meaningful
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to me and I would like you to consider signing this petition or reading this
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article. Can you help me take action and help this animal
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start out small and you never know where it might lead.
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Thank you for listening and I would love to hear from you. If you
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have a thought or comment to share, you can do so on the in behalf
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of animals YouTube version of this episode. In the Comments in
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Spotify. You can comment there as well, or on our website
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or on our social media. We can even revisit
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this topic if you have questions or thoughts to add.
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Until next time, be a voice for the animals
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every chance you get.
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Foreign welcome
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to In Behalf of Animals. I'm Nicole Arcello.
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Happy New Year to all of my animal loving friends.
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We are a week into veganuary, so I
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want to talk to you all about health.
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No, not your personal health, but the health of your activism.
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As an almost 16 year vegan who started my vegan
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journey for health reasons, I am telling you explicitly
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to stop talking about vegan for health and
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only talk about vegan for animals.
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Look, your health is a personal choice. Maybe you fought off
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in reverse disease with your vegan diet, but ultimately I
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believe you are here listening to me because you want to
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start or strengthen your advocacy for animals.
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So how can we effectively advocate for them without talking
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about them, without making it only about
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the animals? As I mentioned,
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my personal journey toward veganism started out for health reasons.
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But within a couple of weeks of research, that shifted
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to animals. After learning that my participation in eating
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animals and their products was contributing to the most horrible
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and needless suffering, I decided there was no going back.
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I couldn't take part in the suffering and killing of innocent animals.
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We don't need to eat their bodies for our bodies to live and thrive.
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There's a lot to unpack here in this discussion.
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Now I can't talk about this, I suppose, without giving
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a little away about my personal health history.
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I struggled with weight my whole adult life. It didn't start
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for me as a child though the eating habits may have. I'm five foot
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tall, which could be one issue, and I freaking love food,
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which is probably the other issue or maybe the whole issue. I want
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to say that I have always believed that leading with animals and
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animals only not getting into discussions about health benefits is
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the way. I have always advocated for veganism,
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but it's not. I think us
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vegans sometimes get that defeatist feeling
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that people don't care about animals. So we should talk to
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them about how a vegan diet will make them skinnier,
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healthier, clear up their skin. And whatever else we may or may
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not have accomplished ourselves by being vegan,
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we sometimes feel that we need to tap into the selfishness
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of the human species. They only care about themselves,
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it seems right. So we have to face that head on. Show them that
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if they stop eating animals, it will benefit them in every way they ever dreamed.
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Well, my friends, I think this is bad for ourselves
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and really, really, really bad for the animals. First,
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we have to find ways to not have that defeatist feeling at all.
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And I believe this is the reason why this podcast exists,
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to learn how to effectively advocate for animals and
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to know you're not alone in fighting against animal
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suffering. And second, as I mentioned
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in the last episode, vegans get sick.
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The truth is we vegans can have high blood pressure,
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diabetes, cancer. And the
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00:03:30,836 --> 00:03:34,780
truth is also that people can reverse disease and
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00:03:34,820 --> 00:03:38,268
lose weight and be healthy while still eating small amounts
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of meat and animal products. We need
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to face both of those truths.
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Now I'll reveal I'm currently eating a 95, I would
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say percent whole foods, plant based, obviously diet.
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So I am 50 years old and feeling, feeling more energized than ever.
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I have recently decided to stop my use of alcohol entirely.
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Some of my friends, I'm realizing, are probably just hearing that for the first time.
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Um, but I'm taking control of my health and fitness and prioritizing
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it. That's where I'm currently at. And I feel like this is a
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very personal thing, but I've been vegan over 15
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years. My weight has gone up and down. I have been
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whole food plant based before even for
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a number of years and then stopped. Okay, I'm telling you
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all of this because I'm stressing that I'm not talking to people about it.
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That's not what this episode is about. I'm not on my social media
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saying to, you know, eat the way I'm eating. I'm saying
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don't eat animals. But recently I've been watching
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some videos, interviews with whole food plant based doctors and
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proponents. And what I suspected to be true was revealed in
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a recent video. A doctor was talking about the holidays
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and how to talk to your family about your new eating
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your whole food plant based, um, which is probably also no salt,
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no oil, no sugar too. And how to navigate the holidays,
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dealing with unsupportive family and friends.
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So this was all about health,
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but it was also about going off the quote diet.
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So the thing I always say, if you go vegan for health, what's stopping you
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from eating a piece of meat here and there? What's stopping you from
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having a few bites of non vegan cake or dairy ice cream
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at the ice cream stand on the hottest day of the summer? The answer
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is nothing, nothing stopping you from doing that.
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The doctor I was listening to was saying that people on this diet
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remember it's whole food plant based sos. No sugar,
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salt or oil or no sugar, oil, salt, I had to look that one
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up. They may choose to recreational
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eat. So think recreational drugs, social drinking,
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you know, going off plan, eating something you know isn't good for you, but you
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do it anyway. So they have
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that choice to just eat non vegan food.
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Well, that sums it up, right? You can cheat on a diet,
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you can have a little slip up and go right back on it,
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right? Even environmental vegan,
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you know, which is probably another discussion. But what's going to stop
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you from having that occasional non vegan meal or treat
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or whatever? And it definitely
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won't keep you on the plan, which is being vegan.
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But being vegan for the animals, you cannot cheat on them.
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You can't put aside those images in your head of their eyes pleading
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for help, asking why this is happening to them when they did
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nothing wrong.
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Look, vegan infection isn't about food.
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But it's not not about food, right? I had a
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vegan bakery for years. I served up the most indulgent fat,
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sugar laden desserts and made so many
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vegans and non vegans for that matter, very happy.
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I will still eat those treats though,
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occasionally, even though my current journey anyway
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is healthy eating. But I know that I will never,
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and I know without a shadow of a doubt that my vegan for the
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animals friends will never go
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back on their vegan ethics.
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We're vegan for the animals. And if you need another
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example, what about that revolving door of celebrities that
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went vegan for health and went back to being non vegan?
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Their bodies were craving meat or whatever the excuse was.
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What was keeping them there anyway?
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The animals obviously weren't a part of that equation.
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So wherever your personal vegan health is at,
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whether it be whole food, plant based, or eating every processed vegan item
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in the supermarket, and there are so many, thank goodness,
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do it. I support you.
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It's all good for me. As long as you
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aren't eating animals. The rest is your personal choice on
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how you want to live your life, as long as no animals are hurt in
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the process. So think about your activism
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as we embark on this new year. If you want to start out
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strong for your health, do it. I support you. But start out
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strong for the animals too. Talk about them, their suffering,
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their horrible lives, and teach people
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to be vegan for them.
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As an ethical animal rights, vegan and foodie,
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I strongly believe in food activism. Share those vegan recipes,
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bring vegan cookies to work, store bought and homemade.
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Take photos of your vegan meals and post them on social media.
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But talk about the animals while you do it.
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And for those health questions we receive from family and friends, you know,
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the sudden interest in our protein levels, a simple answer can
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be, you know, I get my blood work done and checkups and I'm
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doing great. There's protein in all plants.
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I'm not deprived at all. You should try it then you won't be
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hurting animals or I love the way I eat and that
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I don't take part in the needless suffering and killing of animals.
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You can start out by talking to friends and family about their pets
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and their love for animals. Send them petitions that you sign and information
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from your favorite organizations. Tell them this is very meaningful
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to me and I would like you to consider signing this petition or reading this
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article. Can you help me take action and help this animal
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start out small and you never know where it might lead.
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Thank you for listening and I would love to hear from you. If you
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or on our social media. We can even revisit
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this topic if you have questions or thoughts to add.
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Until next time, be a voice for the animals
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every chance you get.